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#1 2015-05-11 12:04:13

Swift
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Best OG Philosophers 2015

Or simply the ones you take the most inspirational/actual philosophy from.

Here's my list:

1. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel -

Hegel is the probably the philosopher I hold the most interest in and take the most from. Marxists around the world owe practically everything theoretical to this guy, although practically none know it (Since Marx misinterpreted Hegel, reached similar conclusions on the same fucking shit and was pretentious as fuck claiming that he 'overcame philosophy').

There are a whole bunch of shitty myths about Hegel inherited from the Young Hegelians and Marx which simply aren't true. Hegel is often portrayed as an apologist for the Prussian state, even though he regarded Revolutionary France as the closest thing to his ideal state (Which would involve the overcoming of the master-slave relationship, gee sounds pretty familiar for commies) whilst also despising and being despised by German reactionaries. He is seen as 'racist' towards Africa, simply for regarding Africa to have not yet reached the same kind of free-ish state found in most of Western Europe. He is portrayed as an idealist for only considering mental labour (Untrue, master-slave dialectic is a pretty good example of this being bullshit same with his critique of idealism in his section of reason) and resolving contradictions in the Phenomenology with ideas (No shit, it's a book about philosophy, how the fuck can he resolve those contradictions with materialism?)

Also I think (And think Hegel thought) that the whole idealism-materialism things are shitty antinomies of Enlightenment thought. Materialism is often a form of idealism in a sense. An idealist would argue that reason is in god or ideas or some transcendental thing. A materialist would say that reason is in nature or the economy, everything comes from that. They both present an abstract Other that exists outside of humanity that people have to relate to in order to discover truth. Humanity is the real producer of truth, it doesn't exclude us from nature or society, it's simply a recognition that our knowledge of those things is our product. That's an overcoming or radicalisation of idealism-materialism, it's a form of absolute humanism.

2 - Georg Lukacs

Cool guy, reconciled aspects of Marxism with Hegelian thought (Although wasn't completely right on Hegel either). Developed the ideas of reification, critique of the antinomies of bourgeois thought and a whole bunch of other things. Revolutionary realpolitik and whatever.

He also had a critique of Hegel that I disagree with (But is less harsh than Marx's). He essentially argues that Hegel came close to Marxism but failed because he couldn't identify the proletariat as the subject-object of history and he's cool with this because the proletariat didn't exist when Hegel wrote the Phenomenology. Then he simply argues that this led him to become an undialectical idealist (False) and develop right-wing views (Also false). Despite this I think Hegel orients towards a collective human subject, he doesn't orient towards Spirit or science/philosophy. He doesn't think philosophy changes the world.

3 - Karl Marx

Yeah I don't need to explain this one.

4 - Kant

Precursor to Hegel with shitty moralism.

5 - Spinoza

Precursor to materialism with non-mystified bullshit.

6 - Descartes

Give her the dick
Precursor to Spinoza with shitty mysticism.

7 - Aristotle

Cool dude, hates the accumulation of wealth. Commie.

8 - Plato

Precursor to practically everything that came after him, able to portray Socrates as a total asshole in funny dialogues.

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#2 2015-05-11 14:38:00

TheWake
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Diogenes of Sinope was legit the baddest motherfucker in Ancient Greece. Fucking blew off Plato and Alexander the Great like the fucking shitty plebs they were.

Other good ones:
Soren Kierkegaard
Albert Camus
Ayn Rand
Friedrich Nietzsche
Socrates
Bob Dylan


Also fuck you George Lucas is shit seriously the worst. HE RUINED STAR WARS.

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#3 2015-05-11 14:51:30

Swift
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Wes wrote:

Diogenes of Sinope was legit the baddest motherfucker in Ancient Greece. Fucking blew off Plato and Alexander the Great like the fucking shitty plebs they were.

Other good ones:
Soren Kierkegaard
Albert Camus
Ayn Rand
Friedrich Nietzsche
Socrates
Bob Dylan


Also fuck you George Lucas is shit seriously the worst. HE RUINED STAR WARS.

Kiekegaard was an angsty loser, Camus was alright, Rand was not a real philosopher :^), Nietzsche is like a non-retarded Schopenhauer, Socrates was cool, Bob Dylan is best

also I've heard the George Lucas so many times I'm tempted to just tell people I philosophise about Star Wars

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#4 2015-05-11 15:16:44

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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

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"Humanity Is Overrated" - Shrek

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#5 2015-05-11 15:24:57

TheWake
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Fuk u swift


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#6 2015-05-11 18:10:25

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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Hume <<<< Kant = Kierkegaard <<<< Nietzsche


Camus is cool but he isn't on that same level, he was an author first ime. Like his ideas were good and he's awesome but he didn't invent a branch of philosophy. Kant is a faggot with his God bullshit morals. But he was brilliant and did loads of work. Hard to argue until Hume shows up. Kierkegaard is a bOss you could fill a whole room with the amount of shit he wrote. He called out Christians for being dildo fake ass hypocrites and his work conveys a lot of stuff directly applicable to existential philosophy and IMO doesn't require god to agree with.


Hume was pretty much a scientists philosopher. Brilliant dude and I agree with his conclusions. Dostoevsky was p. Cool.


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#7 2015-05-11 22:20:23

Swift
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

V.R. wrote:

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I do Zizek impressions for food.

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#8 2015-05-12 01:46:46

brainiac3397
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

-Machiavelli
-Hobbes
-Laozi
-Bertrand Russel
-Voltaire
-Clausewitz*
-Rommel*
-SunTzu*
In no specific order, and these are the ones that quickly come to mind.
*Technically not philosophers but theorists(military) but I consider them to have had an impact on me.


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^^ funny
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#9 2015-05-12 04:00:21

TheWake
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

also forgot robert nozick


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#10 2015-05-12 11:44:08

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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

- Gilles Deleuze
- Michel Foucault
-Guy Debord
-Raoul Vanegeim
- Ernst Jünger
- Martin Heidegger
- Jacques Camatte
- Jacques Ellul
- Ivan Illich
- John Zerzan
- Max Stirner
- Peter Kropotkin
- Renzo Novatore
- Laozi
- David Abram

and a few more, whose names I can't quite remember.


Grappling uneasily with a memory,
I sing a song to make it clear
If a building is my mind being hollowed out,
Many stories, many rooms,
Then I’m an aging shell propped up in slow decay
Forgetting all I had, too soon
Lost wisdom
Roaring in the traffic
Under looming tombstone sign
Summoning memory
Did something start here?
Wild salmon in the reeds
Glowing flooring was sleeping under trees
From business experiment to living place
Built on darkness blossoming
White stag: rare and alone and dead
In the wrong place, at home
Grappling uneasily with wasted wealth
A tall memorial shines

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#11 2015-05-12 11:53:14

Ouroboros
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Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Oh yeah, Edmund Husserl and Marleau-Ponty are total Bros when it comes to phenomenology.


Grappling uneasily with a memory,
I sing a song to make it clear
If a building is my mind being hollowed out,
Many stories, many rooms,
Then I’m an aging shell propped up in slow decay
Forgetting all I had, too soon
Lost wisdom
Roaring in the traffic
Under looming tombstone sign
Summoning memory
Did something start here?
Wild salmon in the reeds
Glowing flooring was sleeping under trees
From business experiment to living place
Built on darkness blossoming
White stag: rare and alone and dead
In the wrong place, at home
Grappling uneasily with wasted wealth
A tall memorial shines

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#12 2015-05-12 12:33:22

TheWake
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From: Yankee-Occupied South
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Posts: 8,272

Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

also alan watts


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#13 2015-05-13 13:46:21

Swift
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Posts: 4,653

Re: Best OG Philosophers 2015

Ouroboros wrote:

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- Max Stirner

Good ol' Saint Max.

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