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#1 2015-10-25 21:21:47

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Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2015 … -with.html

Why Do I Waste Time Arguing With Unreasonable People Online?

My son just put the question to me (I was commenting on Facebook at the time), and I thought some here might be interested in my answers:

1. As an excuse not to work on my current book. The chapter drafts I have just been looking at are in worse shape than I thought, which is depressing.

2. In the hope that by putting ideas out, some of them will spread, with some (small) effect on the world. Posts here probably get more readers, but comments on Facebook reach a different audience, one less likely to be familiar with the ideas.

3. In the hope of finding someone reasonable to argue with, which might result in changing his views, or mine, or both, in a desirable direction, as well as being fun. It happens very rarely, perhaps once every few months, but I'm an optimist.

4. Because arguing with unreasonable people online, and watching unreasonable people argue with each other, gives me useful, if depressing, information about what such people are like and (I hope an exaggerated) picture of how common they are. Like most people, I live mostly in a bubble, interacting with a very nonrandom set of people, and this gets me a view outside it. The same is true of reading trade chat in WoW, also depressing.

5. For the same ignoble reason that people spend time beating up on NPC's in WoW and similar games.


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#2 2015-10-25 22:32:48

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

A true letdown compared to his father.


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#3 2015-10-25 23:01:43

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

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A true letdown compared to his father.

Probably because he spent too much of his time doing thread related:


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#4 2015-10-25 23:12:25

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

V.R. wrote:

A true letdown compared to his father.

I love David. He's a fucking great economist, focused a lot on the intersection of law and econ. Also it's kind of hard to beat your dad when he won the fucking Nobel Prize in the field and was the great economist of the second half of the 20th century. So there's that.

His ancap politics don't do him any favors either, in terms of being ignored by the mainstream. But I imagine it's not too much of a problem, as being the son of Milton Friedman probably opens many more doors than being ancap closes.


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#5 2015-10-26 03:20:04

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.


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#6 2015-10-26 04:51:53

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

Ew Miltons offspring.

Despite his libertarian beliefs, its ironic his greatest achievements were for government benefit. Along with the destruction of Chile with his nefarious agents: the chicago boys.


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#7 2015-10-26 04:52:17

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

V.R. wrote:

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.

Fuck you

It's the best piece of ancap thought.


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#8 2015-10-26 05:10:48

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

The FB and email account comment sections on the content mills are only slightly better than trade chad in WoW or voice chat on XBL. All the ignorance with out the outright sewage.

I thought everyone ignored them except trolls, holy rollers, armchair SJWs, and the poor social media managers that have to moderate the trash.... everyone else just drive by posts and never looks at the article again.. Hard to get a good discussion there.

I suppose if you put it on your FB and did not care if your personal life was tied to your content comments, it would be a way of marketing on FB, at least.

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#9 2015-10-26 13:36:33

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

I'm an academic economist, teach in a law school, have never taken a course for credit in either field.

Interests include poetry, medieval cooking, science fiction and fantasy, computers, and much else.

Makes me feel confident in his ideas for sure...


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#10 2015-10-26 15:15:08

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

brainiac3397 wrote:

I'm an academic economist, teach in a law school, have never taken a course for credit in either field.

Interests include poetry, medieval cooking, science fiction and fantasy, computers, and much else.

Makes me feel confident in his ideas for sure...

His PhD is in physics.


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#11 2015-10-27 00:50:49

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.

Fuck you

It's the best piece of ancap thought.

Better than "The Ethics of Liberty"? toplel


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#12 2015-10-27 00:59:53

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

I'm a true letdown compared to my father!!!!1111


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Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#13 2015-10-27 01:02:31

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loon_attic wrote:

I'm a true letdown compared to my father!!!!1111

who is your father loon


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#14 2015-10-27 01:34:39

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

V.R. wrote:
TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.

Fuck you

It's the best piece of ancap thought.

Better than "The Ethics of Liberty"? toplel

I abandoned natural rights quite awhile ago. They're basically a form of moral realism.


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#15 2015-10-27 02:30:46

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

V.R. wrote:
loon_attic wrote:

I'm a true letdown compared to my father!!!!1111

who is your father loon

a doctor escapee from a shitty commie stalinist country

Got through way more shit than me...

Blergh


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#16 2015-10-27 02:45:53

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

and now you've arrived in the promised land, only to lose yourself


for the promised land


is not all


that was promised


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#17 2015-10-27 04:03:33

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

absentinsomniac wrote:

and now you've arrived in the promised land, only to lose yourself


for the promised land


is not all


that was promised

Still much better than previous country by a long shot I'm sure though.


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#18 2015-10-27 04:11:42

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

yeah loads, where he came from really went to hell


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#19 2015-10-27 04:17:36

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

also pretty much single handedly supported all our asses and everything, I pretty much owe everything to him even if I don't value my life ;;;_;_::::;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

but yeah he hates his job, American hospitals are bureaucratic fuck insanity bullshit

i swear he's too old for this shit


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#20 2015-10-27 04:21:43

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

being a doctor sucks worse and worse in the U.S, would not want


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#21 2015-10-27 04:32:28

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

pretty much everything keeps getting worse now


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#22 2015-10-27 04:33:20

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

Being a doctor was supposed to be one of the most respected and well-paid career paths, but now its turned to red tape and lawsuits.


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#23 2015-10-27 04:43:06

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

Freidman made us Slaivedmen

Yeh US docs have best of all words. Crook pharmaceuticals. Overbearing bureaucracy. Anal insurance. And bitchy patients.

If every doctor was like Hawkeye, hospitals would fit in better to the shitty cycle.


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#24 2015-10-27 14:44:19

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:
TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.

Fuck you

It's the best piece of ancap thought.

Better than "The Ethics of Liberty"? toplel

I abandoned natural rights quite awhile ago. They're basically a form of moral realism.

Die consequentialist scum


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#25 2015-10-28 04:07:46

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Re: Why David Friedman wastes time arguing with unreasonable people online

V.R. wrote:
TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:
TheWake wrote:
V.R. wrote:

"The Machinery of Freedom" is good for warming up the fireplace in cold winters, I'll give you that.

Fuck you

It's the best piece of ancap thought.

Better than "The Ethics of Liberty"? toplel

I abandoned natural rights quite awhile ago. They're basically a form of moral realism.

Die consequentialist scum

I'm really not that either. I just kind of accept morals are subjective and that I have certain morals that seem intuitive. I am a bit more receptive to consequentialist arguments though.

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