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#26 2016-08-01 12:21:41

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Keynesianism has historically been anti-union, actually. Remember that under pure Keynesianism there is no relation between savings, investment, time and the interest rate, as interest is reduced purely to loan/money interest and is a function of liquidity preference/asset portfolio balances. As such, there is no general determinant of the price level. Causality runs from income to money and prices rather than vice versa. Inflation is a real phenomenon, the result of "cost-push" factors affecting prices of production. Under this scheme, unions are nothing more than "wage-push" inflators who prove to be self-defeating in pursuing working class interests. Lerner, Kaldor, Weintraub... all of them expressed this view. Hell, Weintraub even proposed the now dead idea of tax-based incomes policy (TIP) to reduce inflation, which involved raising corporate income tax rates if businesses dared raise the wages of their workers higher than a government-set ceiling. Yeah.

Of course today's Post-Keynesians conveniently omit this and pretend to be upstanding moral crusaders against the evils of "neoliberalism".

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#27 2016-08-01 12:36:15

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Not to mention this:

How can I accept the Communist doctrine, which sets up as its bible, above and beyond criticism, an obsolete textbook which I know not only to be scientifically erroneous but without interest or application to the modern world? How can I adopt a creed which, preferring the mud to the fish, exalts the boorish proletariat above the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia, who with all their faults, are the quality of life and surely carry the seeds of all human achievement? Even if we need a religion, how can we find it in the turbid rubbish of the red bookshop? It is hard for an educated, decent, intelligent son of Western Europe to find his ideals here, unless he has first suffered some strange and horrid process of conversion which has changed all his values.

He also supported eugenics and was a member of the Liberal Party. It's almost baffling how he ever came to be associated with socialism, let alone have an influence on self-proclaimed "socialists".


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#28 2016-08-01 12:47:29

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Because the difference between socialist and mercantilist has walked a thin line ever since Lassalle and the SPD.

And of course no one needs to accept Capital to be a socialist. Keynes was right on that.


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#29 2016-08-01 13:34:09

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V.R. wrote:

Because the difference between socialist and mercantilist has walked a thin line ever since Lassalle and the SPD.

And of course no one needs to accept Capital to be a socialist. Keynes was right on that.

Of course, I myself have been arguably influenced more by some of the utopian and trade unionst ideas that preceded Capital. Just that Keynes specifically seemed bitter about it. I don't particularly view Keynes as a socialist by my definition of the term, especially keeping in mind his party affiliation.


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#30 2016-08-01 14:33:51

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Again, it makes excellent sense to see Keynesianism triumph on the left when you take into account its general direction from the 1890s onwards.

Also keep in mind that during the time Keynes was publishing his opus in (1936), Marxian economics was largely dormant. "Economics" in the USSR was largely mathematical and accounting models and Western Marxists had split on such issues as capitalist breakdown, the falling profit rate, imperialism, monopoly capital, the role of finance, etc. Tugan-Baranovsky rejected any intrinsic end-crisis moment and instead argued that business cycles were wave-like and that capitalism could enter stationary states w/o breakdown. Eduard Bernstein had largely repudiated the entire Marxian edifice as we know it with his revisionism; Hilferding too despite holding to orthodox Marxism denied accumulation breakdown in his Finanzkapital, as well as siding with Tugan-Baranovsky. It was never that strong a force in Germany to begin with where Lassalle, Duehring and Rodbertus were greater economic influences.

Marxian economics was looking like a dead end. The Wilson presidency, the WWI economy, New Deal and the fascist era also increased the popularity of bureaucratic technocracy. Thus, Keynesianism entered during the right time. It didn't require fully scrapping traditional economic categories as Marxian econ does (not to mention its metaphysical-historical aspects). At the same time, national income accounting and econometric methods were evolving during and after the 1930s.

Neoclassical economics itself, converging toward Walrasianism, became mostly a study of optimization problems itself and compatible with the technocratic impulse.

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#31 2016-08-01 22:48:19

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RammsteinFearFactory wrote:

Not to mention this:

How can I accept the Communist doctrine, which sets up as its bible, above and beyond criticism, an obsolete textbook which I know not only to be scientifically erroneous but without interest or application to the modern world? How can I adopt a creed which, preferring the mud to the fish, exalts the boorish proletariat above the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia, who with all their faults, are the quality of life and surely carry the seeds of all human achievement? Even if we need a religion, how can we find it in the turbid rubbish of the red bookshop? It is hard for an educated, decent, intelligent son of Western Europe to find his ideals here, unless he has first suffered some strange and horrid process of conversion which has changed all his values.

He also supported eugenics and was a member of the Liberal Party. It's almost baffling how he ever came to be associated with socialism, let alone have an influence on self-proclaimed "socialists".

Stop quoting Keynes. You're starting to make me like him.


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#32 2016-08-02 08:30:31

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Good. If social democrats can cite him as an influence, there is hope of you becoming part of Jill Stein's Glorious Green Team for Eco-Socialism™

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#33 2016-10-02 07:00:36

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[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ROxJnF2cM[/video]

She doesn't seemed phased because she knows none of them can touch her. SHe has so much power, that she doesn't even fear these representatives. Yet she is still close to being elected to the top office. While this stuff is public knowledge. It is right in front of everyone.

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There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

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#34 2016-10-09 17:44:15

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Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

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#35 2016-10-09 17:59:40

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Not just 4 "people", like Ambassador to Libya, 2 CIA, and some other guy I forgot. All because she was too lazy to read emails, or chose not to care.

But she can't be arrested cause she is hillary clinton who gave us mon I mean is a good person!


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Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

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she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#36 2016-10-09 18:26:04

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I have entire weeks where I feel completely hopeless as if nothing good will ever happen to me.


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#37 2016-10-09 19:49:31

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absentinsomniac wrote:

I have entire weeks where I feel completely hopeless as if nothing good will ever happen to me.

And then it is either shillary or drumpf. I'd be hopeless too in that situation.


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#38 2016-10-09 20:06:33

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Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

but she sucks wtf

Anything really bad in that recent leak?


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#39 2016-10-09 21:15:49

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Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

You think Hillary wasn't hawkish on Iraq and Afghanistan?

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#40 2016-10-10 00:30:06

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Princess-Retard wrote:

Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

>what is the invasion of Libya
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/fil … on%202.pdf

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#41 2016-10-10 02:46:27

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Alistoriv wrote:
Princess-Retard wrote:

Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

>what is the invasion of Libya
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/fil … on%202.pdf

Bah, that author should be criticized. Being a popular name academic doesn't automatically make them correct. This guy believed in 2009 that the US would've been better off bombing Iran to stop their nuclear weapons project and while he covers certain bases, he utterly fails to mention Iran's relationship with Russia or make any point that acknowledges such an attack wouldn't just be like the method that stopped Saddam's ambitions for a nuclear project but an action that'd further undermine the stability of the Middle East by enraging Shia factions across the region.

He's also cherry-picking seeing as the HRW report only covered data they received from hospitals and the HRW does mention:

A second doctor, interviewed separately, said that hospitals in the city had documented about 250 dead over the past month, most of them civilians. He believed the actual number was higher because many people could not reach medical facilities.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/04/10/lib … -civilians

Note how it mentions that hospitals were being targeted.

I don't usually support the idea of "humanitarian" reasons for military intervention but Alan Kuperman is flat out wrong.


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#42 2016-10-12 22:04:14

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Princess-Retard wrote:

Benghazi= 4 people dieded.
Irak/Afghanistan= a thousands.

Clearly, she is the war criminal, here.

Eat me, Hillary for president.

Oh look, a dumb woman voting for hillary. Color me surprised.

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#43 2016-10-13 02:57:28

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Hillary voted for that fucking shit. Like how the fuck is that proving anything? She wasn't responsible for the entire fucking Iraq war, no one person was completely responsible for the deaths, however she was responsible for Benghazi, she neglected to keep up with the warnings about possible attacks and also about warning the fucking ambassador to Libya, CIA agents, and that USFS officer, so they are now dead, and she is about to become president still. Not even mentioning all the other shit like taking money out of her charity and keeping and giving away classified info kept on a private server, that's not sketchy at all.


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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#44 2016-10-13 03:04:24

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I hate them all. I hate this year. 2016 sucks balls.


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#45 2016-10-13 03:24:54

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brainiac3397 wrote:

I hate them all. I hate this year. 2016 sucks balls.

America is shit. I'm so sick of all this sensational shit coming out of every hole possible. Why is everyone so fucking dramatic over everything. Top 5 worst things in pop culture:

1. No one has their own opinion: Everyone just repeats things they heard on Fox News/MSNBC/YouTube and don't even think. Or they just blindly vote for things or like things because of the brand name alone. "I'm voting Hillary because I'm from a democrat family", "Suicide Squad is a great film because the Joker was in it", "Feddy Wap is good, I only listen to popular shit on the radio, only new artists are good"

2. Viral mentality: Have you seen the vine/video/meme/whatever? No? Do you live under a rock? Let me repeat this one thing for a few weeks because I can't come up with anything interesting to say since I just sit on the internet all day and night.

3. So offended: Why the hell do people get so offended over everything? Like wtf. You don't have a black gay woman in a movie, it doesn't represent everyone omg! White people are so privleged, like you should try to help out the blasian community a little more. We matter too! Omg, that woman is totally just a stereotype because she was captured in that movie/game/book. She should be a badass character that doesnt need saving. You never see women in films! Saying someone has black skin is racist! My skin is a dark chocolate hue, thank you very much! Omg, why didn't you use my preferred pronoun of Ze, even though you never met me before #oppressed

4. Nostalgia: Omg they are making a new ghostbusters. I am so excited, even though I probably saw the first one once when I was 8 and never watched it again. But since I heard of it, then I'll go pay to see the movie. It's not a shit movie, you just hate women! Omg I am excited for the remake of the remake that is coming out, we can't come up with ANYTHING new! Pixels is good cause it had Pac-Man in it. I remeber that from the 80s! omg I am just hiding my true hatred for the current time by being excited for these things. Please just bring me back. Please!

5. Famous for no reason: Omg look Kanye who makes terrible music is married to Kim who doesn't do anything at all, I'll just pay to watch a obviously scripted show about them and pretend it's real. Look at this family who payed to have thier own TV show, I'll just watch this gimmicky thing that makes them even more money. Hey did you see the show? No? What do you watch, Mr. Robot? What even is that? Since thees no famous people it probably sucks.

I could go on for years pretty much. Kinda off topic of politics, but even just this shit annoys me really. I feel like there is not much to admire anymore in this country. Just go to my fucking high school, these people are fucking dumb, what is wrong with my generation?


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#46 2016-10-13 08:13:17

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Maybe it's not that your generation is stupid, but you're surrounded by an accumulation of idiots.


Hindsight is always 20/20.

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#47 2016-10-13 09:20:45

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sloth wrote:

Maybe it's not that your generation is stupid, but you're surrounded by an accumulation of idiots.

Well I kinda agree. Like how more millennials are voting third party, compared to older generations. But still, the average ones I encounter piss me off.


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#48 2016-10-18 10:14:29

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[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtRj6x1jHuU[/video]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuNRETHaKAI[/video]

Weeeeeeeeeeee

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There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#49 2016-10-18 12:18:44

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>Sargon of Autism
Hillary's shit but Sargon is making a further ass of himself shilling for Trump, especially with those terrible (like seriously asinine and inaccurate) comparisons to ancient Rome.

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#50 2016-10-18 15:12:38

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>Sargon of Cuckkad

Anti-white race denialist detected.


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