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#1 2012-08-04 01:38:18

Fascist
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Fascism

Hello,

As you're aware from my name that I am a fascist. Yet, nobody seems to understand what that means.

I think it is important to note that fascism is distinct from Nazism. Also, fascism is neither left, nor right. It's syncretic.  We combine elements from the left and right.

The main difference between Marxists and Fascists is the notion regarding class warfare. We reject class warfare. We prefer class collaboration. We recognize that people are unequal due to nature, but we also recognize that the upper class can become abusive. Hence, workers will be able to unionize their corporations. 

We also oppose the current decadence of the modern world. Sexual promiscuity is out of control. Gay pride parades are a prime example of it. Whether or not you're pro-homosexuality. There are better ways to organize yourself. There's also a growing tolerance towards bestiality. There's another type of decadence. People who are naturally decadent. People like Chris-chan do not deserve the right to live and ought to be either sterilized or euthanized.  Yet, the majority of people here would give him the right to vote in their societies.

I don't understand why the majority of people here are anarchists. You seem to recognize that the majority of people are too stupid for their own good. Yet, you want to give unlimited power to the mob. The mob is irrational, stupid, degenerate, decadent, ect.

Also, I would recommend looking up Julius Evola and Oswald Spengler.

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#2 2012-08-04 01:41:28

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

I'd like to step in as the counter & ally to this individual, as my name is Blut und Boden, denoting national socialism. The main difference between the ideology I adhere to & the ideology of which the operator of this thread adheres to is that we both acknowledge differently the reality of race & what it therefore means.

I know many of you have called people you did not like 'fascists & racists' before in your lives; it's obvious from the type of people you are.  The form of social anarchy you people promote is both decadent and - quite frankly - stupid. There is no sense in even believing an ideology which gives Humans (HUMANS, OF ALL CREATURES) total freedom from law & civility could work; it's stupid, in all manners.

Were you given the freedoms you so wish for, you would not do what to do with them for you are the lesser of the social food chain, and would thus come under harm in an anarchist society, where nothing but the rules of raw animalism apply.  Do you people honestly believe you are capable of fending for yourselves, without external aid?

This website being in existence contradicts that idea.


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#3 2012-08-04 01:56:55

Derchin
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Re: Fascism

What the fuck did I just stumble on?


"Remember, misery is comfortable. It's why so many people prefer it. Happiness takes effort."

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#4 2012-08-04 01:57:28

SaintVicious
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Re: Fascism

facism in progress nofun

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#5 2012-08-04 01:57:36

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

Derchin wrote:

What the fuck did I just stumble on?

A lesson. This section of the forum is for political discourse, apparently..so we are here as opposition. Fascist opposition.


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#6 2012-08-04 01:58:28

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

SaintVicious wrote:

facism in progress nofun

Isn't supposed to be fun.  We are here as opposition. Not trolling, either.


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#7 2012-08-04 01:59:45

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

Is there no intellectual discussion to be had? I do not see why that's so difficult to obtain from people who revere themselves as intelligent.


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#8 2012-08-04 02:02:15

RAWN PAW
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Re: Fascism

Blut und Boden wrote:

Is there no intellectual discussion to be had? I do not see why that's so difficult to obtain from people who revere themselves as intelligent.

Not everyone camps their computer 24/7, and those who do don't always pay attention to SD. I'll give a better reply later on.

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#9 2012-08-04 02:04:27

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

RAWN PAW wrote:
Blut und Boden wrote:

Is there no intellectual discussion to be had? I do not see why that's so difficult to obtain from people who revere themselves as intelligent.

Not everyone camps their computer 24/7, and those who do don't always pay attention to SD. I'll give a better reply later on.

I'm very well-aware that not everyone camps their computer 24/7...thank God for such facts. We just figured there'd be some sort of intellectual response in timely measure. I did, at least, judging from the fact the forum seems active.

I await the 'better response' you mentioned.


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#10 2012-08-04 02:06:16

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Re: Fascism

You should've came at a earlier time then. I would assume that's its the middle of night where most of us live.


"Remember, misery is comfortable. It's why so many people prefer it. Happiness takes effort."

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#11 2012-08-04 02:07:24

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

Derchin wrote:

You should've came at a earlier time then. I would assume that's its the middle of night where most of us live.

What's a good time? Are you all docile & tired now? Relaxed? Serious question.

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"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#12 2012-08-04 02:08:39

Derchin
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Re: Fascism

Noon, I guess.


"Remember, misery is comfortable. It's why so many people prefer it. Happiness takes effort."

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#13 2012-08-04 02:10:19

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

WELL - THAT'S UNFORTUNATE! Although I'm still waiting. It's a boring hour.

I like all of your cute little signatures by the way.

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"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#14 2012-08-04 02:14:06

Derchin
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Re: Fascism

Just wait around. Somebody might show up.


"Remember, misery is comfortable. It's why so many people prefer it. Happiness takes effort."

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#15 2012-08-04 02:17:18

loon_attic
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Re: Fascism

Ideologies suck.


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#16 2012-08-04 02:21:08

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Re: Fascism

I don't like peopel so facism doesn't appeal to me, I don't like working for others benefits, also human greed yada yada.

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#17 2012-08-04 02:25:09

Blut und Boden
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Re: Fascism

Lunatic wrote:

Ideologies suck.

Tell me why..an educated answer, please.

SaintVicious wrote:

I don't like peopel so facism doesn't appeal to me, I don't like working for others benefits, also human greed yada yada.

People*, also Human greed? lol, you act as if we are ignoring Human greed. We acknowledge Human Greed.

Liking people isn't the issue; Fascism is not an ideology of absolute morality; efficiency is a higher concern and efficiency, although requiring some measure of social ability, does not require you to have a LOVE EVERYONE JOIN-HANDS-MULTICULTURAL-WORLD mechanism. Not a need of efficiency. Human efficiency, at least.

Working for others' benefits? What?

Do you even know what the actual ideology of fascism is?


"The Americans' 'open-mindedness', which is sometimes cited in their favor, is the other side of their interior formlessness. The same goes for their 'individualism'. Individualism and personality are not the same: the one belongs to the formless world of quantity, the other to the world of quality and hierarchy. The Americans are the living refutation of the Cartesian axiom, "I think, therefore I am": Americans do not think, yet they are. The American 'mind', puerile and primitive, lacks characteristic form and is therefore open to every kind of standardization."

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#18 2012-08-04 02:26:34

RAWN PAW
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Re: Fascism

Let's go over a few of your points.

Fascist wrote:

The main difference between Marxists and Fascists is the notion regarding class warfare. We reject class warfare. We prefer class collaboration. We recognize that people are unequal due to nature, but we also recognize that the upper class can become abusive. Hence, workers will be able to unionize their corporations.

No matter their socioeconomic class at birth, all men are created equal. Some are more advantaged than others, yes, but all are free to work and advance themselves. Admittedly, the lower classes will have a harder time due to inferior education, but at least it's completely legal for them to succeed despite their disadvantage. Restricting their freedom to do this is not the purpose of government.

The upper class can become abusive, yes, but the beauty of capitalism is that corporations compete to attract employees through superior wages. This drives the price of goods down and wages up in an effort to be the best.

Fascist wrote:

We also oppose the current decadence of the modern world. Sexual promiscuity is out of control. Gay pride parades are a prime example of it. Whether or not you're pro-homosexuality. There are better ways to organize yourself.

I will concede that it is out of hand, but it is not like it hurts anyone or tears at the supposed moral fabric of society. The thing about freedom is, it allows people to do things you don't like. They are not infringing upon others rights with these parades. They should be free to do as they will. We should try to persuade them, not force them, to change their views and be activists without shouting "LOOK AT ME, I'M GAY" from the rooftops.

Fascist wrote:

There's also a growing tolerance towards bestiality.

I have not seen any evidence towards this. If you have any additional info to share, please do.

Fascist wrote:

There's another type of decadence. People who are naturally decadent. People like Chris-chan do not deserve the right to live and ought to be either sterilized or euthanized.  Yet, the majority of people here would give him the right to vote in their societies.

Yes,  people like Chris-Chan mooch off of people who work for a living. This does not mean they should lose their right to life. Everyone is born with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We cannot simply kill someone for refusing to work, even if they are useless, they gained these rights from birth.

Admittedly, the Social Security Disability Insurance should be reformed to ensure people who can work but refuse to are cut off, but that's another matter entirely.

If you selectively take away people's right to vote, it will inevitably result in the voting members of society oppressing those who cannot vote because they can't do a thing about it.

The purpose of government is to protect people's rights. It should not be allowed to kill someone for what they choose to do with their own life, so long as they do not infringe upon other's rights.

Fascist wrote:

I don't understand why the majority of people here are anarchists. You seem to recognize that the majority of people are too stupid for their own good. Yet, you want to give unlimited power to the mob. The mob is irrational, stupid, degenerate, decadent, ect.

The majority of people here don't give a fuck about politics, something that would be nice to change, seeing as they're more intelligent than most others. Almost all of those who do identify as anarchists just say they do because they think it looks cool.

Blut und Boden wrote:

The form of social anarchy you people promote is both decadent and - quite frankly - stupid. There is no sense in even believing an ideology which gives Humans (HUMANS, OF ALL CREATURES) total freedom from law & civility could work; it's stupid, in all manners.

The problem with complete democracy is that it always results in the oppression of the minority by the majority. This is why we live in a republic, not a true democracy. Everyone gets their say, but it does not end with the oppression of the minority.

Inevitably, certain small freedoms must be sacrificed in order to ensure a society where all men are equal. These are an alright price to pay to ensure humans cannot be sorted into persons and unpersons.

Blut und Boden wrote:

Were you given the freedoms you so wish for, you would not do what to do with them for you are the lesser of the social food chain, and would thus come under harm in an anarchist society, where nothing but the rules of raw animalism apply.  Do you people honestly believe you are capable of fending for yourselves, without external aid?

I may be able to, but that's another story. Society was made when people had enough free time to specialize in one trade. Not everyone needed to be a hunter-gatherer. As such, anarchism is an inherently bad idea as it basically cuts you off from anything you cannot produce yourself, which will end with you starving in your pile of precision equipment while the guys on the other side of the planet degenerate due to a lack of technology but an abundance of food.

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#19 2012-08-04 02:31:50

RAWN PAW
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Re: Fascism

SaintVicious wrote:

I don't like peopel so facism doesn't appeal to me, I don't like working for others benefits, also human greed yada yada.

In a capitalist system, you can absolutely hate everyone and work solely for your own benefit. The beauty of it is that you're still strengthening the economy, you're still contributing to the collective while advancing yourself.

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#20 2012-08-04 02:35:16

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Re: Fascism

If were going to play "perfect world scenarios" then a benevolent dictatorship would be the best system. Besides I facism cares way to much about shit that you can't change let gay people parade all they want stores make money from people browsing so that's a good thing.

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#21 2012-08-04 02:35:45

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Re: Fascism

I'm just pretty apathetic. Civilization has always gone in cycles and always will, until we're gone. This cycle seems to be people acheving a certain degree of freedom and then losing it to despots or whatever. Chances are I'm not going to change shit by being ideological. Humans are interesting because of how we invent and innovate, but we tend to be really stupid socially, in a way. Just thinking about this stupidity and the over-complexity of it kind of depresses me.

I guess Capitalism is better than Fascism. I just can't be arsed to learn enough about this shit to be confident in my opinion, however.

Also, "Blut" and "Fascist" seem rather similar...


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#22 2012-08-04 02:36:22

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Re: Fascism

What is causing the sudden rise in fascism on both forums?


a.

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#23 2012-08-04 02:38:14

loon_attic
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Re: Fascism

blut, fascist and das fuhrer (AKA fagix)
I'll have to confirm that, though... when I'm not too apathetic to do it.


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#24 2012-08-04 02:41:59

RAWN PAW
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Re: Fascism

SaintVicious wrote:

If were going to play "perfect world scenarios" then a benevolent dictatorship would be the best system.

Unfortunately, things can never truly be perfect. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that. Best thing we have is a republic.

RammsteinFearFactory wrote:

What is causing the sudden rise in fascism on both forums?

Probably the SS 1.0 hugbox giving them a place to enforce their will, olo.

Lunatic wrote:

blut, fascist and das fuhrer (AKA fagix)
I'll have to confirm that, though... when I'm not too apathetic to do it.

Even if it is Fagix, I want to see how much effort was put into this.

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#25 2012-08-04 02:43:33

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Re: Fascism

RAWN PAW wrote:
SaintVicious wrote:

If were going to play "perfect world scenarios" then a benevolent dictatorship would be the best system.

Unfortunately, things can never truly be perfect. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that. Best thing we have is a republic.

RammsteinFearFactory wrote:

What is causing the sudden rise in fascism on both forums?

Probably the SS 1.0 hugbox giving them a place to enforce their will, olo.

Lunatic wrote:

blut, fascist and das fuhrer (AKA fagix)
I'll have to confirm that, though... when I'm not too apathetic to do it.

Even if it is Fagix, I want to see how much effort was put into this.

BUT PERFECT WORLD!!!ONEONEONEOEN

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