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#1 2015-12-11 01:23:06

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Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Well for a long, long time. Why? Here's why:

  • The vast distances between stars, moons, and planets making long journeys, even past our solar system, incredibly time consuming (Even our fastest probe, Helios 2, would take thousands of years just to reach the nearest star system alone and ships that can reach even just 1/10th the speed of light are decades, if not centuries away, but it doesn't matter anyway because when you factor in relativity at those speeds it means that all of your family and friends and the whole system itself will be long dead or really, really old by the time you return home).

  • The lethal radiation given off by stars

  • The below freezing temperatures

  • Space debris, micrometeorites and other hazardous material, especially when you want to fast, which we'll need to do to get to anywhere beyond the sun.

  • The negative effects of little gravity on the human body

  • The psychological effects of traveling through space for such a long period of time

  • The lack of aid or supplies if something happens while millions of miles away from Earth

  • The slow response of communication from Earth the further we get from the planet. Alpha Centauri,  the closest star system to our solar system for example, is almost four and half light years away from Earth, meaning it'll take roughly four and half years to get a signal to future astronauts and four and half years to get a return signal. So it'll take roughly nine years to get just two messages across. If something happens to the astronauts or they discover something they're practically on their own.

And if in an emergency where we need to leave the planet now (such as a in the events of a gamma ray burst, severe global warming, the death of the sun, or a extinction level asteroid) we have to find a planet suitable for human colonization, something like Mars, but even that runs into problems such as:

  • Finding a planet about the same size  and gravity as Earth. Mars is about have the size of Earth with only 38% of our gravity. Some gravity is useful, but for long term use it doesn't seem good. Venus is about the same size as earth, but it's problem is that too hot, acidic, and it's atmospheric pressure would crush you in seconds.

  • Finding a planet with an atmosphere similar to ours. Mars is no good seeing it only has an tiny atmosphere composed mostly of carbon dioxide. Venus is the same.

  • The time will be different on the new planet. Life depends on the 24 hour cycle of Earth. We may be able to adapt to a slightly changed time scale, but most other animals won't.

  • Finding a planet with a moon. Most organism on Earth depend on the moon for hunting, travel and other means.

  • How do you manage politics on a interplanetary scale? If one planet or planets needs help how do send aid, troops and supplies there in time?

  • Finding a planet with the continents positioned in a way that allow certain weather patterns for irrigation and other function for our survival to work. On a slightly similar note having a planet with a similar axial tilt that allows the season to happen.

  • Finding a planet with similar geological composition as ours. We could try to irrigate Mars but its soil are toxic to plants, plus the radiation would probably kill them even if they had a chance to survive that long.

  • If all of those problems are absent and we do find a planet similar to ours (in the case of the "Earth Similarity Index," as close to a 1 as possible) hopefully we don't infect the possible life on the planet with our viruses and bacteria and vice versa.

Those are just my thoughts. Feel free to chip in.

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#2 2015-12-11 01:49:30

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

You're totally discounting teleporting where we need to. If you look at the scale of the universe everything inside the area of earth has a chance to hold a sustainable planet just through sheer RNG. Not to mention mars is literally right there.

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#3 2015-12-11 02:00:29

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

At least with modern tech. I'm sure we'll figure something out some day in the future assuming we don't bomb ourselves into the stone age.


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#4 2015-12-11 02:16:04

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

tfw muh quantum entanglement is some weird shit that isn't even useful

what


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#5 2015-12-11 02:27:32

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

SaintVicious wrote:

You're totally discounting teleporting where we need to.

The only problem with that is when you teleport "you" cease to exist and is replaced by a similar "you" who thinks he's you.


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#6 2015-12-11 03:05:22

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

still, you still get the same person(until experiences change) at a super far location

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#7 2015-12-11 03:18:31

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Well consciously you won't experience any of it though, which sucks.


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#8 2015-12-11 04:20:39

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

The state of quantum teleportation research is still at Analytical Engine levels, though, so it only backs up Derchin's point.


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#9 2015-12-11 06:48:53

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

muh ftl travel by bending bull shit


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#10 2015-12-11 14:47:32

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

There's talks of developing an alcubierre drive, but that's nowhere close to actual development.


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#11 2015-12-11 20:10:55

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Isn't the alcubierre drive's crutch the fact it'd require exotic matter(ala negative mass) which, as far as it's known, doesn't exist in any practical way?

Once we start playing with new matter, especially exotic kinds, we'll probably see a move forward to technology we could only hypothesize(cause there isn't even a real way to test em).


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#12 2015-12-11 21:02:59

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

inb4 we discover the immaterium


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#13 2015-12-11 22:22:33

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

brainiac3397 wrote:

Isn't the alcubierre drive's crutch the fact it'd require exotic matter(ala negative mass) which, as far as it's known, doesn't exist in any practical way?

That, and the fact that the energy required for such a device is laughably huge.


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#14 2015-12-12 03:32:07

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

With the way things are going, though, interstellar travel is not realistically feasible without generational ships or something. Even then, only way anyone would put anything into that would be the solar system is fucked.

Hell, interplanetary travel is very slow going. No one except NASA and a few idealist showing any money behind it and it's nowhere what is needed to do it in a reasonably close time at least for manned deals.

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#15 2015-12-12 04:01:07

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Yeah. I had my hopes up with Mars one, but now that's a dud what do we do?


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#16 2015-12-12 04:40:04

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

TheWake wrote:

inb4 we discover the immaterium

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#17 2015-12-15 21:47:16

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

You could theoretically create your own atmosphere which would sustain itself indefinitely. Just pump a mass amount of gases out periodically, it would take a lot of it. Of course we couldn't do it now. Pessimists.


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#18 2015-12-15 23:15:17

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

We could do (and have thought about doing) it to Mars, but its so small that its atmosphere would leak out into space in about a century or so.


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#19 2015-12-16 04:00:37

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Derchin wrote:

We could do (and have thought about doing) it to Mars, but its so small that its atmosphere would leak out into space in about a century or so.

That's why you periodically add more gas. Also if artificial gravity is possible in the future there's that.


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Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

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everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

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#20 2015-12-16 04:38:13

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

But that get's expensive. If we knew a way to reheat Mars' core and generate a breathable atmosphere that way we're in the clear.

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#21 2015-12-16 05:21:55

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Derchin wrote:

But that get's expensive. If we knew a way to reheat Mars' core and generate a breathable atmosphere that way we're in the clear.

A few dozen hydrogen bombs might help there.


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#22 2015-12-16 05:29:14

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Mars' insides are huge though.


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#23 2015-12-16 07:21:26

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

Hell, we can't even get out of low earth orbit.

The money does not give a crap about space unless it is a communications satellite for TV and cell phones. Or aerospace/ NASA union jobs.

Mars talk? Another probe or two, sure. Academia loves that (a lot of geeks, too).  Sadly, I don't think we will see men out of view of Earth for at least 30 years, maybe much longer. Maybe never at all.

Launching a Mars scratching nuke  at a planet might be cool. But imagine if the nuke blew up on earth from launch failure. Even if all we could do would be blow up a mountain or ten.

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#24 2015-12-16 13:38:14

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

We should just colonize moon. Build into the side of a crater or something...


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#25 2015-12-16 16:45:40

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Re: Future interstellar travel and plantary colonization won't work

It might have water ice there and some valuable minerals for fuel and building materials, but other than that it could be argued that 's worse than living on Mars.


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