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#1 2016-07-31 04:35:40

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Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

Post links and tidbits about various failures of socialist/communist economic policies.

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2 … -shortage/

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#2 2016-07-31 05:07:59

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

stop clickbaiting bro


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

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There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

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#3 2016-07-31 17:14:47

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

read: bernie's campaign

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#4 2016-07-31 17:45:13

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

What would you prefer?


"Remember, misery is comfortable. It's why so many people prefer it. Happiness takes effort."

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#5 2016-07-31 18:07:17

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

Well, this is why true socialism can be a problem..

There are many jobs that no one wants to do but are needed for society.  If it were not for rent or poverty, the majority would not do it.

Before the automation of agriculture, you used to need so many people to do these jobs that no one wanted to do that you had to have some form of slavery in place just to get it done. Literally force entire families to do this at sword point or gun point.

How many people would willingly work, say, a call center were people call in angry and mistreat the employees and they stopwatch your bathroom breaks? Or a fast food place where you are covered in grease and are only given one uniform? Or a hot sun tearing your hands up for some plantation owner who sits in the AC. Especially if they can stay at home, do creative things, strengthen relationships, etc? Double if you have just a few that live like kings while you slave and have to worry.

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#6 2016-07-31 18:12:08

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How many people would willingly work, say, a call center were people call in angry and mistreat the employees and they stopwatch your bathroom breaks? Or a fast food place where you are covered in grease and are only given one uniform? Or a hot sun tearing your hands up for some plantation owner who sits in the AC. Especially if they can stay at home, do creative things, strengthen relationships, etc? Double if you have just a few that live like kings while you slave and have to worry.

How are any of these jobs necessary?

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#7 2016-07-31 19:54:35

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necessary

muh arbitrary value judgments


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#8 2016-08-01 02:21:01

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>venezuela
>socialist economy
nice meme :^)

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#9 2016-08-01 02:48:55

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

And let's not forget that wannabe dictator Trotsky put down this rebellion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt … resolution

Oh! He's such a humanitarian!


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#10 2016-08-01 03:02:32

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V.R. wrote:
RedOak wrote:

necessary

muh arbitrary value judgments

Well none of those things would likely exist in a communist society anyway.

Like I'm pretty sure you can have a functional society without fastfood and call centres.

TheWake wrote:

And let's not forget that wannabe dictator Trotsky put down this rebellion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt … resolution

Oh! He's such a humanitarian!

Your point?

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#11 2016-08-01 04:57:51

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

Muh freedom to develop obesity from consuming copious amounts of Burger King


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#12 2016-08-01 22:43:49

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

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Muh freedom to develop obesity from consuming copious amounts of Burger King

You're damn right


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#13 2016-08-01 22:44:14

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RedOak wrote:
TheWake wrote:

And let's not forget that wannabe dictator Trotsky put down this rebellion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt … resolution

Oh! He's such a humanitarian!

Your point?

Trotsky was a murderer and would have been as bad as Stalin.


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#14 2016-08-01 23:00:21

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TheWake wrote:
RedOak wrote:
TheWake wrote:

And let's not forget that wannabe dictator Trotsky put down this rebellion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt … resolution

Oh! He's such a humanitarian!

Your point?

Trotsky was a murderer and would have been as bad as Stalin.

You do realize anyone who actually understands Trotsky and follows his theory doesn't oppose Stalinism on the grounds that "oh no killing people is bad!!". The issue has to do with that Stalin reversed the revolution in many ways and purged the party of anyone who opposed or questioned Stalin's reactionary policies. I'm not even a fan of Trotsky (or at least not anymore) but he has nothing on Stalin's shitty understanding of Marxism, for fuck sake Stalin initially supported the Kerensky government. There's a good reason Trotsky compared Stalin's takeover to the Thermidorian Reaction, he was a counter-revolutionary.

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#15 2016-08-01 23:41:27

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

RedOak wrote:
TheWake wrote:
RedOak wrote:
TheWake wrote:

And let's not forget that wannabe dictator Trotsky put down this rebellion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt … resolution

Oh! He's such a humanitarian!

Your point?

Trotsky was a murderer and would have been as bad as Stalin.

You do realize anyone who actually understands Trotsky and follows his theory doesn't oppose Stalinism on the grounds that "oh no killing people is bad!!". The issue has to do with that Stalin reversed the revolution in many ways and purged the party of anyone who opposed or questioned Stalin's reactionary policies. I'm not even a fan of Trotsky (or at least not anymore) but he has nothing on Stalin's shitty understanding of Marxism, for fuck sake Stalin initially supported the Kerensky government. There's a good reason Trotsky compared Stalin's takeover to the Thermidorian Reaction, he was a counter-revolutionary.

So do you you support killing people?


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#16 2016-08-02 00:26:56

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There's no such thing as a peaceful revolution, especially one that seeks to completely destroy the existing system in every way.

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#17 2016-08-02 03:10:21

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

RedOak wrote:

How many people would willingly work, say, a call center were people call in angry and mistreat the employees and they stopwatch your bathroom breaks? Or a fast food place where you are covered in grease and are only given one uniform? Or a hot sun tearing your hands up for some plantation owner who sits in the AC. Especially if they can stay at home, do creative things, strengthen relationships, etc? Double if you have just a few that live like kings while you slave and have to worry.

How are any of these jobs necessary?

I wish boring jobs would disappear with socialism. Unfortunately, not the case for the foreseeable future.

Call center - You will always, even in a socialist society, to process incoming requests. I see this being until internet requests overtake folks wanting to do business over a phone.

Fast food- Say what you want about the offerings or nutritional value, but the fast food restaurants serve millions of the working class who are too busy/lazy to cook. Nor should everyone cook. Even if you are in a socialist society, you need fast convenient food at central locations as well as distribution warehouses and free groceries.

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#18 2016-08-02 04:28:46

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

bloodshed is an inseparable part of change, bloodshed is an inseparable part of maintaining the current system
your choice; people die either way

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#19 2016-08-02 04:32:13

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

#KillForMao


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Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#20 2016-08-02 07:02:10

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Trotsky and the Left Opposition were the ones clamoring for ending the NEP, strangling the peasantry and moving to rapid industrialization. He is to a great degree responsible for Stalinism.


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#21 2016-08-02 07:55:03

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Green1 wrote:
RedOak wrote:

How many people would willingly work, say, a call center were people call in angry and mistreat the employees and they stopwatch your bathroom breaks? Or a fast food place where you are covered in grease and are only given one uniform? Or a hot sun tearing your hands up for some plantation owner who sits in the AC. Especially if they can stay at home, do creative things, strengthen relationships, etc? Double if you have just a few that live like kings while you slave and have to worry.

How are any of these jobs necessary?

I wish boring jobs would disappear with socialism. Unfortunately, not the case for the foreseeable future.

Call center - You will always, even in a socialist society, to process incoming requests. I see this being until internet requests overtake folks wanting to do business over a phone.

Fast food- Say what you want about the offerings or nutritional value, but the fast food restaurants serve millions of the working class who are too busy/lazy to cook. Nor should everyone cook. Even if you are in a socialist society, you need fast convenient food at central locations as well as distribution warehouses and free groceries.

I'm pretty sure people can do just fine without fastfood on every block and tech support.

By the way I'm not saying fastfood wouldn't be a thing because it's eeeeeevil or anything, just at that point there wouldn't be much of a reason for it to exist. I'd imagine though that something like ready made food could be available at a gommie distribution thingy or whatever the fuck. Maybe also fully automated restaurants or some other robot shit like that.

Really I just find dilemmas over how really specific things like this would work to be irrelevant. When talking about socialism/communism we're talking about what would be a completely different civilization, not "oh lets have everything be like it is now but have everything run like a cooperative because that makes things more pleasant somehow".

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#22 2016-08-02 19:18:52

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but how would we continue the spectacle under socialism :((((

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#23 2016-08-02 19:52:22

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

RedOak wrote:

By the way I'm not saying fastfood wouldn't be a thing because it's eeeeeevil or anything, just at that point there wouldn't be much of a reason for it to exist. I'd imagine though that something like ready made food could be available at a gommie distribution thingy or whatever the fuck. Maybe also fully automated restaurants or some other robot shit like that.

are you 12?


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#24 2016-08-02 20:20:29

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Re: Failures of Socialist Economics Superthread

Nationalise McDonald's and establish executive workers' councils for it today.


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#25 2016-08-02 20:23:55

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And then proceed to strip the power of the workers' councils, reducing them to mere subsidiary bodies of the glorious Party apparatus.


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