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#26 2017-02-11 08:59:48

RammsteinFearFactory
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Re: Unions irrelevant??

Why no more 60s esque revolutionary protests and stuff? Those were like best of both worlds. A protest against something and organized to be physically aggressive. Is it because of these "silicon valley" liberals who may have never experienced the difficulties of being working class?

Yes. I can tell you from experience that some of young members of the Green Party from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds didn't even understand the reasoning behind many of their party's own policies. They didn't understand why the party opposed grammar schools because they went to them themselves, and they didn't understand why the party opposed zero hours contracts because they worked on them for extra income while at university.

IMO Dems and Repubs are both totally disconnected from society and both enjoy manipulating us. Otherwise, the working man continues to suffer while the rich grow no matter who is in power. Maybe we need some healthy class warfare, not partisan warfare.

The American labour movement urgently needs to break from the Democratic Party. It cannot be reformed. It has proven this multiple times throughout its history. The rigging of the 2016 primaries against Bernie is simply the example most fresh in the public memory. It should have served as its Sheffield Attercliffe moment.


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#27 2017-03-16 11:23:41

Swift
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Registered: 2012-06-10
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Re: Unions irrelevant??

union bureaucracy is incredibly conservative right now and is basically stuck between supporting the interests of union members and the interests of big business/political parties that they are tied to

rates of unionisation are so low right now and it's depressing that union leaders pin this on how they've failed to relate to millenials because they don't use enough social media or make enough memes etc. when in reality people don't join their union because their union doesn't do anything

unions have historically been at their strongest when they've been the most militant and unfortunately there's not much that'll save them aside from the bureaucrats being forced to do something or enough radicals imbedding themselves into the unions and managing to stir up enough shit/convince people of the need for industrial action

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#28 2017-04-09 20:51:46

RammsteinFearFactory
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Re: Unions irrelevant??

Swift wrote:

union bureaucracy is incredibly conservative right now and is basically stuck between supporting the interests of union members and the interests of big business/political parties that they are tied to

rates of unionisation are so low right now and it's depressing that union leaders pin this on how they've failed to relate to millenials because they don't use enough social media or make enough memes etc. when in reality people don't join their union because their union doesn't do anything

unions have historically been at their strongest when they've been the most militant and unfortunately there's not much that'll save them aside from the bureaucrats being forced to do something or enough radicals imbedding themselves into the unions and managing to stir up enough shit/convince people of the need for industrial action

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#29 2017-04-10 17:10:16

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Registered: 2015-10-21
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Re: Unions irrelevant??

Swift wrote:

union bureaucracy is incredibly conservative right now and is basically stuck between supporting the interests of union members and the interests of big business/political parties that they are tied to

rates of unionisation are so low right now and it's depressing that union leaders pin this on how they've failed to relate to millenials because they don't use enough social media or make enough memes etc. when in reality people don't join their union because their union doesn't do anything

unions have historically been at their strongest when they've been the most militant and unfortunately there's not much that'll save them aside from the bureaucrats being forced to do something or enough radicals imbedding themselves into the unions and managing to stir up enough shit/convince people of the need for industrial action

As far as "attracting millennials" , most of the fields that unions are still in are fields that are not really very exciting. These are fields you end up in usually, not seek out with a few exceptions.

Who says they want to be in a hot ass factory working rotating days/nights watching a boring assembly line doing the same thing thousands of times a day? Or serving some rich tourist coffee at 5 AM while dressed in a monkey suit? Or in front of a whole bunch hyperactive kids getting paid peanuts and dealing with crazed parents? Climbing up on a power pole around deadly kill-your-ass voltage in the middle of a snow storm? Up on a harness 600 feet in the air installing lights in a huge sport arena? Standing in front of a cash register 8 hours where you can not even leave to pee?

The millennials do not need someone to talk to their boss once they are there while not solving what makes the job need a union in the first place. The hard part is already done, and the rich employer is going to do what they want anyways.  They need someone that can help them get the job in the first place.

Sadly, many unions make it harder to get jobs because it makes the jobs MORE strict.

Now.... we talk about replacing employment agencies with something more of a service to workers.... but, I am not sure the employers would like that or it would work.

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