Topic: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals … E36B90C0BE

The campaign leading to the 2016 US presidential election included a number of unconventional forms of campaign rhetoric. In earlier analyses, it was claimed that the Trump victory could be seen as a form of protest voting. This article analyzes the determinants of voters’ choices to investigate the validity of this claim. Based on a sample of the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Survey, our analyses suggest that a Trump vote cannot be explained by a lack of trust in politics or low levels of satisfaction with democracy, as would be assumed given the extant literature on protest voting. However, indicators of racist resentment and anti-immigrant sentiments proved to be important determinants of a Trump vote—even when controlling for more traditional vote-choice determinants. Despite ongoing discussion about the empirical validity of racist resentment and anti-immigrant sentiments, both concepts proved to be roughly equally powerful in explaining a Trump vote.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon … 47fa8530ca

When we control for a number of other factors that might lead white millennials to vote for Donald Trump — such as racial resentment, partisanship, ideology, living in the South, gender and employment status — we find that the largest predictor of voting for Trump is that sense of white vulnerability. White millennials who scored high on the white vulnerability scale were 74 percent more likely to vote for Trump than those at the bottom of the scale.


https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/ … iety-study

One paper, published in January by political scientists Brian Schaffner, Matthew MacWilliams, and Tatishe Nteta, found that voters’ measures of sexism and racism correlated much more closely with support for Trump than economic dissatisfaction after controlling for factors like partisanship and political ideology.


Another study, conducted by researchers Brenda Major, Alison Blodorn, and Gregory Major Blascovich shortly before the election, found that if people who strongly identified as white were told that nonwhite groups will outnumber white people in 2042, they became more likely to support Trump.

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Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

Yeah, no.

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everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

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Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

are you sure?


Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

>Cambridge
>>Washington Post
>>>Vox

not buying it

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Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

What about vice and buzzfeed?

6 (edited by Fish20 2018-08-29 21:31:40)

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

I  trust Hogkin's Lymphoma as my preferred cancer

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Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

So the Cambridge thing was written by Marc Hooghe, who is a Political Science professor who has received funding by the ERC to investigate these sorts of democratic issues, which is funded by the European Union. That's pretty legit. The second author is Ruth Dassonneville, who is a PhD and researcher at Université de Montréal, and holds the research Chair in electoral democracy. She also got her PhD at the same institution in (I think the Netherlands) Marc Hooghe works or something. So she's pretty legit too.


Next up the Washington Post thing. Written by Matthew Fowler. "Matthew Fowler is a Postdoctoral Scholar at the University of Chicago. He received his Ph.D. in political science from Indiana University in August 2017.", Vladimir E. Medenica, "I am currently a Postdoctoral Scholar for the GenForward Survey at the University of Chicago. I received my Ph.D. in Politics and Social Policy from Princeton University, specializing in American politics." and Cathy J Cohen, "David and Mary Winton Green Professor in Political Science and the College at the University of Chicago, and is the former Director of the Center for the Study of Race (2002–05)." So all pretty fucking accomplished researchers there, too. That's not even getting into some of the citations which cite specific studies etc.


Next the Vox thing, which just cites the Washington Post conclusions and a few other studies.


In general there's pretty good reason to believe it's not bullshit. Maybe the conclusions aren't 100% accurately reported in the Vox article but it's a pretty good analysis in general it seems.

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

We all know Trumpu-senpai won because of his hair, his heir, and his tan.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

I just don't trust Political Scientists to give accurate studies about Trump, especially when there is obviously a left bias. The only one that isnt obviously biased is the first guy, yet he isn't even from the US so he probably hates Republicans inherentlym

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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

10 (edited by SaintVicious 2018-09-08 01:09:35)

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

I mean it cant be because dems rigged their own election to run one of the most unlikeable people possible, and we were already coming off a two term democrat president.

But I'll lazily address these

"The campaign leading to the 2016 US presidential election included a number of unconventional forms of campaign rhetoric. In earlier analyses, it was claimed that the Trump victory could be seen as a form of protest voting. This article analyzes the determinants of voters’ choices to investigate the validity of this claim. Based on a sample of the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Survey, our analyses suggest that a Trump vote cannot be explained by a lack of trust in politics or low levels of satisfaction with democracy, as would be assumed given the extant literature on protest voting. However, indicators of racist resentment and anti-immigrant sentiments proved to be important determinants of a Trump vote—even when controlling for more traditional vote-choice determinants. Despite ongoing discussion about the empirical validity of racist resentment and anti-immigrant sentiments, both concepts proved to be roughly equally powerful in explaining a Trump vote."

Being anti immigrant doesn't automatically mean racism but at least they tried to tie those two together.

"When we control for a number of other factors that might lead white millennials to vote for Donald Trump — such as racial resentment, partisanship, ideology, living in the South, gender and employment status — we find that the largest predictor of voting for Trump is that sense of white vulnerability. White millennials who scored high on the white vulnerability scale were 74 percent more likely to vote for Trump than those at the bottom of the scale."

Yea shocker white men voted for trump when the otherside wants to call white men racist every time they take a step anywhere, breathe, or look any direction.
Also millienals don't vote anyways. Bernie found that out.

The next one is just vox cherry picked garbage, look up the male birth control fiasco.

"Another study, conducted by researchers Brenda Major, Alison Blodorn, and Gregory Major Blascovich shortly before the election, found that if people who strongly identified as white were told that nonwhite groups will outnumber white people in 2042, they became more likely to support Trump."

Yes getting "outnumbered" inherently implies a different opinion/lifestyle people don't like change. Whites are a global minority already I'd rather not get bred out in the next 30 years either.

Also frankly you can't trust anything media related on trump either good or bad because its legit trash. All these fucking retards were telling you a year ago that TRUMP HAS NO CHANCE OF GETTING ELECTED LMAO!!! But now suddenly they are relevant again despite learning nothing. It's really stupid and intellectually dishonest to just attribute "racism" to half the country. I also looked deep into all these articles and shockingly none of them have any explanation or even mention how trump turned, wisconsin, michigan, and PA red which have pretty much always been democrat states. (not to mention he also won ohio and iowa huge swing states filled with moderates who are just as likely to vote left or right). Overall this was boring.

11 (edited by Fish20 2018-09-08 08:04:19)

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

I voted for Trump because Hillary kept using identity politics and obviously wasn't trustworthy, at least Trump has and still remains consistent.

And I voted for Bernie in the primary :/

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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

I'm not saying this was the only reason he won, just that it's impossible to argue it wasn't a huge factor. People are afraid of each other, which as far as I'm concerned is damn near the same thing as racism. I live in PA and there are a fuckload of racist people, and generally they voted for trump. Those who aren't so racist, did not. I'm not even saying Trump is the worst thing ever or whatever just saying this was clearly a component and a sign of the times.


People buy into identity politics and Trump and friends are no exception. It's the same shit just the other extreme. The left is bad with it, the right is at least as bad on the opposite end of the spectrum.


Arguing that Trump's core following isn't composed of a good deal of racists seems insane to me. They don't hide it lol I know these people. "Fucking niggers" blah blah. It's not even a secret. "Goddamn coons again" every time there's some news story about a black guy doing something wrong. They come up with other reasons for why they like him and shit too, so it's not like it's their only drive, but I think this fear of "others" holds a lot of weight for them. They publicly post pretty racist shit on facebook all the time.

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

That doesn't mean all Trump voters are racist, or even the majority. Just that a majority of racists are Trump voters. They say white vulnerability was a huge factor. I wonder how the white guilt factor played into Obama being elected twice? Probably won't be a study on that.

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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

i agree but i also agree w saintv that trump won because hillary lost

over half the population didn't even vote

not because they're racist or complicit in racism but because being pro-hillary is pathetic

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

absentinsomniac wrote:

I'm not saying this was the only reason he won, just that it's impossible to argue it wasn't a huge factor. People are afraid of each other, which as far as I'm concerned is damn near the same thing as racism.

What % of trump voters do you think are racist? I am always curious to hear this answer. He engages in tribalism yes but that means americans as a whole, not just whites. Putting your country first isn't a new concept, frankly it every leader already does it, they just aren't as open about it.

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

Idk 20 - 30 %? But I'm talking about being afraid of Hispanics and being angry at minorities / poor as racism mostly. Even poor white people which early on accounted for lots of Trump's core base essentially hate other poor people (who aren't like them).


So basically, I'm saying most Trump voters voted with ideas of race in mind. Like, oh no the Mexicans are gonna flood in, oh no white people are going to be outnumbered and we need to push back. Etc.

17 (edited by Fish20 2018-11-10 08:01:03)

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

You don't have to be a devout follower of Trump to have voted for him. Just hate democrats/Hillary enough, or love your guns/religion/traditional values enough. There is possibly way to many variables to explain it accuarately.

But there is obviously a factor of living in a rural area vs. urban area.

2016 Election Map By County:
https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_by_vote_share.svg/1280px-2016_Nationwide_US_presidential_county_map_shaded_by_vote_share.svg.png

Rural folks are just not into the whole democrats threating to take away their gun rights and taxing them to hell. It's pretty well known that Americans barely ever vote for the candidate themselves and just vote for the party.

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sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

No, it's clearly about some complicated nuanced shit. Why don't poor people like our socialistic policies? they're supposed to

sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

Ok but that directly conflicts with the article lol, and particularly the parts I quoted. They controlled for traditional voting reasons etc.


I'm not making the claim here the people who did the analysis are. Believe what you want.

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

30%!? audibly oof sound
I dont think racism was more than 5% factor in his voting base and thats being generous. Its not that omg muh mexicans brown people r bad, its that they will drive down wages. Which is true, there is no way to compete with someone whos fine with work for 3 dollars an hour when 3 dollars is 60 pesos. There also is a distinct rise in anti-white sentiment. Imagine if netflix made a series called "dear black people", or any number of articles talking about how whites need to stop talking and let the poor POC talk.

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Tbh, I should make a web browser plugin that replaces "white" with "black". I bet there would be an outcry. Too bad I ain't in Web Browser Plugin Development.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

Idfk mang I didn't run the numbers any guess is pretty arbitrary lol

Re: Shocker, Trump won because muh racism

Clearly he won because of Russians.

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Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol