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#1 2017-09-19 02:13:10

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Jordan B Peterson

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBR5v89L6gk[/video]

mfw watching this in cluttered bedroom surrounded by clothes and dirty cups :O

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA96Kf30TQU[/video]

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgTE2bUM-_o[/video]

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Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

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There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

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everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

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#2 2018-12-15 20:13:17

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

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#3 2018-12-15 21:22:51

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Yo I just found him this last week and I've been binging this shit lmfao. Life's weird.


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#4 2018-12-16 15:31:53

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

The video I posted was someone doing an impression of him

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#5 2018-12-16 16:27:53

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lol


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#6 2018-12-16 21:05:25

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I think I agree with a lot of what he says. I mean there's other ways to get your life together than what he talks about but in general it's kinda hard to argue with most of his points. The mythology is just used as examples and ways to provide imagery and whatever to his points he makes that actually draw from the psychology literature and other social science literature. I don't know the literature well enough to say he has a really accurate interpretation of it but he probably does, nobody seems to disagree much with it who's qualified that I've seen. That'd be interesting though if someone who's into psychology research had a different interpretation of the literature and put up an argument. Like there's biologists and neuroscientists and all that which usually tend to agree with most of what he's saying about the actual literature itself.


I don't have the time or inclination to dig through science journals like I used to though. I did regarding the I.Q. thing for a while back in the day when I was trying to argue against his points and looking back I was on the wrong side of it, I think. Wes was arguing against my points and idk how much new science there's been regarding that shit but I'm pretty sure he had me beat in those arguments iirc.


He doesn't talk about economics that much though which is probably good because I don't think he'd end up accurately reflecting that science. Or maybe he would? He's pretty good about not specifically agreeing with one specific ideology.


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#7 2018-12-16 21:31:50

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

He's basically just Carl Jung and Joseph Campell reiterated for the 2010s with anti-marxist anti-postmodernist twist.


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#8 2018-12-16 21:47:27

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Eh, I think a lot of Jung can be dismissed these days. Never studied Campell, but from what I remember Jung doesn't really stand up to empirical rigor, too much theory not enough data to back it up. It leaves a legacy wrt personality testing and all of that, which I think is a little more rigorous these days but still not something we can rely on 100%, but his work itself isn't really taken seriously anymore.


They're like historical introductions to psychology and not really used in practice anymore. People talk about them as like, the beginnings of the field, but nobody really uses their actual findings, things have gotten way past that. I've watched a several interviews and shit from him and I don't remember hearing him talk about Jung even once. Maybe he does? Idk. I haven't seen it.


Honestly he talks more about evolution than anything and usually cites specific science in writing that hasn't been discredited or anything.


There's a lot of stuff that's speculatory or not nailed down, but so what? The only shit I'd really hate to see him talk more about is climate change, which he tends to err on the side of "it's probably not that big of a deal". Not an actual quote but that's the feeling I get, which doesn't really match the science we have. He does have a lot of stuff that is vague, but so? Who cares? It's not like he wants to be anyone's primary or only source of scientific knowledge, if you treat any public speaker as such you're fucking up.


The biggest take away for me is his self help penchant and anti sjw type beliefs. It shits on garbage beliefs from SJW's which is good, and it advocates getting your life together and has some pretty okay ways of doing so. Also I *really* like his philosophy of meaning. That's one of the only things that'll probably really stick with me from him. As in, meaning can be derived from responsibility. I've had that sense for a long time and it's why I'll probably end up having a family some day. I've been partying and fucking and doing drugs my whole life, and it feels empty, and I really like what he talks about wrt responsibility and getting your life together. It's something I've wanted before I listened to him but I just like the way he puts it.


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#9 2018-12-16 22:07:32

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I think the biggest problem is people get so caught up on specific people and start hyper-analyzing these types of public intellectuals. No one is going to know everything. Nobody is perfect, especially not public intellectuals who get grilled in interviews and then cut up to twist their words. People get borderline obsessed with these sorts of characters, when they're just fucking people with some really interesting / cool / useful ideas. Treat them as such and all of this combativeness seems really fucking dumb.


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#10 2018-12-21 02:20:03

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He does talk about "Archtypes" a lot tho which I guess is pretty jungian, mostly in reference to religious texts though and I don't think he claims that shit is  like, based in hard science idk


Honestly I wouldn't call that psychology at all, I'd call it philosophy.


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#11 2018-12-21 03:11:27

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

He talks a lot more about that stuff in his lectures than the public interviews


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#12 2018-12-21 09:34:18

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

absentinsomniac wrote:

I think the biggest problem is people get so caught up on specific people and start hyper-analyzing these types of public intellectuals. No one is going to know everything. Nobody is perfect, especially not public intellectuals who get grilled in interviews and then cut up to twist their words. People get borderline obsessed with these sorts of characters, when they're just fucking people with some really interesting / cool / useful ideas. Treat them as such and all of this combativeness seems really fucking dumb.

fucking woke

and other people get super offended and think they have nothing to offer because they're not 100% aligned with their cult


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#13 2019-01-08 05:46:01

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

I like certain things about him. He really knows nothing about philosophy and he should stop pretending he doesn't. I think there's really something to the idea that he's gained a following by being a sort of cool anti-sjw surrogate father figure to his primarily disaffected young male fans. Plus his diet stuff is fucking hilarious.

Public persona attracts criticism, detractors.

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#14 2019-01-08 07:04:20

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His diet stuff is nothing new though. There's pretty good evidence that zero carb diets are beneficial in some cases, epilepsy, morbid obesity, etc.

It's gotten to the point though that he's just repeating the same 5 conversations over and over.

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There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#15 2019-03-03 13:22:31

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i think he is the most self-aware self-help guru - he gets that self-help as a genre is inherently right-wing and individualist

a lot of what he says is banal crap and he doesn't have a clue when it comes to philosophy and theology

i would rather his fans shift further to the right than stick with him, he's an outdated boomer conservative get some better ideology in ya

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#16 2019-03-03 13:53:55

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I don't agree with the leftist stance that self help should be avoided due to a political bent. The vast majority of self help has little to do with corporate shilling and is mostly geared towards making a change in your life. I've read a number of self help books, including a few that are heavily based on psychology, by actual practicing psychologists (e.g. Think Forward to Thrive which helped synthesize an entire paradigm of clinical psychology, and has zero right wing bent).


There are several studies showing self help can be as good as actual therapy, too. It's not like it's straight up bullshit, there's empirical evidence for it's effectiveness.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20406528

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22215865

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22215865


Most self help these days isn't 1980's era capitalist shilling for sales or whatever. It takes all flavors. There's plenty of leftist type literature that serves pretty much the same purpose under a different moniker, but it's the same fucking thing. Even books that are written by CEO types can be pretty fucking good, albeit not always 100% accurate.

Thirty-eight patients were randomly assigned to receive either usual care or a behavioral prescription to read the self-help book, Feeling Good (Burns, D. D. (1999). Feeling good: The new mood therapy. New York: HarperCollins). The treatment groups did not differ in terms of overall outcome variables. Patients in both treatment groups reported statistically significant decreases in depression symptoms, decreases in dysfunctional attitudes, and increases in quality of life. Although not statistically significant, the mean net medical expenses in the behavioral prescription group were substantially less. This study provided empirical evidence that a behavioral prescription for Feeling Good may be as effective as standard care, which commonly involves an antidepressant prescription.


I think this distaste from the left comes from 1.) believing everything is some systemic problem that shouldn't be solved in any other way than their prescribed beliefs, and/or 2.) they believe they're "above" people who read/write these sorts of things. They don't like that their "superior" intellectual pursuits aren't the end-all of useful knowledge. As if individuals shouldn't bother being in charge of their own lives, they should just fall in line with some specific ideology.


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#17 2019-03-03 18:28:27

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

Is it more helpful to fix faults in your life or blame it on systematic oppression? Self help rarely blames the patriarchy for your own shitty life, that's why the left hates it. You should be more focused on controllinghelping others than yourself. It's just kindness!


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#18 2019-03-03 23:33:43

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

Like marginalizing them if they ever had anything to do with drugs, on purpose or otherwise? I don't fucking think so. It's all a huge bunch of fake bullshit.


Hindsight is always 20/20.

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A surprising amount of insight can be gleamed from sitting on the toilet. More concerning, however, is the amount of nostalgia. neutral

When in doubt, move north. God bless suomi.

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#19 2019-03-03 23:37:52

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How does self help marginalize anyone who's ever done drugs?


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#20 2019-03-04 01:05:28

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

Still better than most leftists


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#21 2019-03-04 04:06:15

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

absentinsomniac wrote:

How does self help marginalize anyone who's ever done drugs?

Self help does not. Systematic oppression does.


Hindsight is always 20/20.

God wrote:

A surprising amount of insight can be gleamed from sitting on the toilet. More concerning, however, is the amount of nostalgia. neutral

When in doubt, move north. God bless suomi.

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#22 2019-03-04 04:13:23

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

So he dismisses systematic oppression, the police state etc? Maybe he isn't that much better than leftists then. her derp


sloth wrote:

Comfy does not provide challenge, challenge provides success, success provides happiness. Our world is not comfy, although we tried to make it so. Slaves of our own inventions, yada, yada. Not only on a technological level, also on a social and political level. Nothing more but apes. Apes with psychosomatic disorders.

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#23 2019-03-04 04:20:38

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

Whats up with all the leftist and rightist bullshit anyways? Hasn't politics been invented to control the masses and distract them from actual issues?


Hindsight is always 20/20.

God wrote:

A surprising amount of insight can be gleamed from sitting on the toilet. More concerning, however, is the amount of nostalgia. neutral

When in doubt, move north. God bless suomi.

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#24 2019-03-04 13:36:49

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Re: Jordan B Peterson

yfw everyone that disagrees with Socialists, Feminists, and SJWs are considered far right kek


There are no clear way to learn it unlike html and css who are actually funny to learn and explore.

Quotes:

sloth wrote:

Hold your head down and you won't get hurt. You'll get exploited, abused and spit on, but hey at least you're safe. Fuck that. I have one life to live, and I'll live it my fucking way. Go on. Stand in my way. See what happens. See what happens when a good guy snaps.

sloth wrote:

There are cemetery for living people. They are called "cubicles". And "assembly line". And "McDonalds". And any other full of shit job you can think about. It's where you are dying every day so you can live on a few select days of your life. If you're not to powered out from working.

loon_attic wrote:

everything is shit and people love it because they're hipster masochists or something

absentinsomniac wrote:

she said to eat her out w/ an ice curbe but nah goodnight lol

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#25 2019-03-04 14:35:38

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My views haven't even changed that much and a few years ago I was considered radically leftist. I just don't agree with most identity politic type shit. I still think pretty left economically (although cautiously), I still think social programs can be a net good, I'm still pretty socially liberal in terms of abortion, sex, etc. I believe in gun rights tho, but on most things I swing left. I straight up don't agree with some leftist shit though, it seems dumber than fuck on the face of it.


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